Not sure where this fits, but here goes

[Blind Hog]

J.P. Sauer und Sohn M30 drilling, but this one was procured by the Nazi Lufwaffe for issue to pilots/crews as a survival weapon. These were Sauer's standard commercial drilling but were official procurement and acceptance marked. Chambering was 12x65m/m shotshell over 9.3x74R rifle. The issue 12x65m/m shotshell contained an equivilent to our #6 shot, the 9.3 x 74R used a 285 gr bullet and also issued with the gun were 12x65m/m Brenneke slugs. The rifle barrel and the left shotshell barrel were regulated to shoot to the same point of aim.

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Proofing, date(12/41 and acceptance
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Comparison of some cartridges to the 9.3x74R. left to right; 30-06, 8x57 Mauser, 9.3x74R, 9m/m luger and .30 Luger.
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Blind Hog

[WmRoy]

Man that is Seriously Cool!:icon_cheers:

That is just incredible............. I really like that one! Wonder how many were procured????

[LoLo25643]

That is a fantastic find. Thank's for posting the pictures.

[Stan in SC]

I saw this rifle at the gunshow when Blindhog acquired it.The fit and finish of it are superb.It is a true piece of art inasfar as firearms go.It is just a beautiful beautiful piece.

Stan

[Rustybore]

That is a piece of art. Wonder how many of those went down with the plane and were lost forever?

Kevin in Or.

[Jr~]

I Love the case coloring. Very cool. :grinning-thumbsup:



Jr. :)

[fr8dude]

That looks more like an Elephant gun. Survival where? If you set off all 3 at once you would end up in the next state.

[WmRoy]

That looks more like an Elephant gun. Survival where? If you set off all 3 at once you would end up in the next state.

It doubled as an "anti-tank" weapon.........:xxrotflmao: :xxrotflmao: :xxrotflmao: :p

[Blind Hog]

It is my understanding that the majority of these drillings were issued to crews of bombers operating during the North African campaigns. Although I have read of instances of recovery from bomber wreckage during the Blitz on England. Would had been an excellent arm if forced down on the moors or highlands :dontknow: , great for stag or grouse. :D

Also I have read that Hermann Goring had his hand in the procurement of these drillings. Which could be a reasonable assessment, that Nazi peacock would want nothing but the best for his Luftwaffe. A good way to suck up to Hitler. As a hunter, he would had been well acquainted with drillings and the benefits of one firearm combining rifle and shotgun. Although in this case a classic gilding of the lily.

The ubiquitous 12 gauge could handle shot and slugs. Why the 9.3x74R for the rifle chambering I do not know, it was and is still a very popular cartridge outside the USA.
The 285 gr load operates at apprx. m/v 2300/2400 fps with energy at 3200/3500 ft lbs. The equivilent bullet weight in the 375 H&H is at apprx 2500/2600 fps, energy 4200/4300 ft lbs. (Figures approximated from "Cartridges of the World", Frank C. Barnes.

Earlier in this thread the question of production numbers was asked. From what I have researched, the original contract called for 5000 guns, but it is thought that no more than somewhat over 2000 were produced. Based on high/low serial numbers reported of surviving guns.

Blind Hog

[SAC22PPC]

is this gun in print? i swear i have either seen this one or another just like it in an old magazine. i even remember the odd safety on the side and the little pop up chamber indicaters...if i am not misstaken you select the chamber by moving the thumb lever.
dont remember what mag it was but i am certain i have seen this model at least before.


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[jd46561]

very nice.

[Jr~]

I just did a quick online search and ran into this posting,,, http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:IB74-EchZZYJ:foren.waffen-online.de/lofiversion/index.php/t234477.html+J.P.+Sauer+und+Sohn+M30+drilling&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

Without a doubt very interesting and possibly a very valuable gun.

Jr. :)

[Blind Hog]

Jr,

Thanks for the link, I have been gleaning as much information as possible on these M30 Luftwaffe drillings for quite some time. They are very interesting items and as a collectable, not readily located.

I failed to mention in the initial posts that they were issued contained in a transit chest. This chest was of aluminum, painted in an olive color and with stenciled markings as to contents. The chest would contain the drilling in a taken down condition, a leather sling, a box of shotshells, Brenneke slugs, 9.3x74R cartridges, a operation manual, cleaning supplies, contents list and a test target to the drilling.

Yes, they could be considered to be valuable. I have noticed a steady rise in price values in the Blue Book of Gun Values for several years now. They are so rarely incountered for sale that there is not a set price and pricing can and does fluctuate wildly. Last year one was offered by Rock Island Auction, complete in it's transit case with all of the original contents. Condition of the gun, case and contents were in mint, pristine condition. If I remember correctly, the gavel fell at $22,000, plus fees.

The one I have is no where close to such as that, but none the less a desirable item to have in a martial collection of the WWII era.

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SAC22PPC,

There was an article in one of the gun magazines a few years back, I believe it was Guns Magazine but could had been Guns & Ammo. I do remember reading it, but at the time, was read as one of those things that one casually scans. "Hmmm, now would it not be neat to come across something like that, nah...who could be so lucky".

Blind Hog

[SAC22PPC]

the nazi marking and the safety stands out in my memory...at least i think its the safety.


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