H&r Sportsman Double Action

[steve]

Just purchased a H&R Sportsman Double action 9 shot revolver. Can someone please tell me which model it is. How old it is & value. I understand there were 2 sportmans models produced. Gun is stamped 22 Long rifle ctg~ Harrington & Richardson Arms co~ Worcester, Mass., U.S.A~H&R "sportsman" double action. Serial # on bottom of butt begins with a P. No other marking on gun. Any info. would be helpful & appreciated. Thank you!

[Stan in SC]

Somewehere on that piece there is bound to be a model number.Based on that you can google a lot of information on it.

[WmRoy]

Welcome Aboard Steve!!

Do you by chance have a photo???

[PX15]

Just purchased a H&R Sportsman Double action 9 shot revolver. Can someone please tell me which model it is. How old it is & value. I understand there were 2 sportmans models produced. Gun is stamped 22 Long rifle ctg~ Harrington & Richardson Arms co~ Worcester, Mass., U.S.A~H&R "sportsman" double action. Serial # on bottom of butt begins with a P. No other marking on gun. Any info. would be helpful & appreciated. Thank you!


Well, FWIW:

Just last week I was asked to bring an old H&R home for a gentleman (81yrs old) in a nursing home. I cleaned it up for him, and shot it, and I'm going to try and find him a set of grips for it. The old factory grips were apparently plastic (one piece wraparound) and melted away..

This H&R Sportsman is a very early model, I think mfg probably 1938-38.. My friend who owns it says he bought it new around 1958, but that's just a guess. The serial number (73140)indicates it was definitely made before 1952.

This pre 999 "Sportsman" came with hard to find one piece wraparound grips. I HOPE the H&R you bought takes the standard two piece grips as they are available in reproduction models several places.

Anyway, Jim Hauff (BoBell01@aol.com) is a collector of these old H&R's and has been very helpful to me regarding my friends pistol.. If you will email him I think he could answer your questions for you, or point you in the right direction..

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_7044.jpg

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[32 Magnum]

Just purchased a H&R Sportsman Double action 9 shot revolver. Can someone please tell me which model it is. How old it is & value. I understand there were 2 sportmans models produced. Gun is stamped 22 Long rifle ctg~ Harrington & Richardson Arms co~ Worcester, Mass., U.S.A~H&R "sportsman" double action. Serial # on bottom of butt begins with a P. No other marking on gun. Any info. would be helpful & appreciated. Thank you!

Steve,
Your Sportsman Double Action is the MODEL 999 and the 'P' prefix indicates it was manufactured in 1954, and is a Second Model - probably 1st variation. It should have two piece grips and a "squared" grip frame. The hammer should be jeweled and have a fixed firing pin on the nose. The cylinder release is a small rectangular button on the left side of the frame just in front of the cylinder (on the quill arch). I have s/n P1248 in my collection. In excellent+ condition (better than 92% of finish remains, everything works as intended and is original) - pieces of this vintage are selling in the $260 to $300 range, at this time and depending upon market conditions in your area.
Following are links to a couple Sportsmans that bracket the manufacturing date as well as my "P" prefix piece. I hope this info helps, if you need more you can contact me here or at the e-mail address that Mr. Pomeroy lists above. J.H.
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/27002SgFFrNmUFnai6bLRSZFBqFgwrF0RZiuv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l .jpg
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/27002SgFFrNmUFnai6bLRSZFBqx4GwU5-uB1v4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
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[PX15]

I would like to thank Jim Hauff for finding me a set of the rare one-piece grips for my friends H&R.

I really appreciate it Jim, and doubt I'd ever have found a set for Fred on my own.:grinning-thumbsup:

Best Wishes

Jesse

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_7131.jpg

[trinabeanz]

I also just inherrited a H&R model 999. It belonged to my great grandfather, and I'm just trying to find out how old it may be. The Serial number on it is
AE9622O. If anyone may know the approximate year on it, or how I could find out, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

[WmRoy]

Welcome PX15 & trinabeanz!!

And thank you 32Magnum for helping these guys out!!

[32 Magnum]

Trinabeanz,
Your Sportsman was made in 1968. It is a 2nd Model. Does your piece have a hammer mounted firing pin or the transfer bar ignition/safety system?

[32 Magnum]

WmRoy,
You're welcome. I'm an H&R Collector (don't laugh, there's not many of us and that keeps the prices down) and I'm pleased to be able to share some of the H&R info.

[A square 10]

i had to look - my sn is 42890 , can anyone give me a date ?
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[PX15]

i had to look - my sn is 42890 , can anyone give me a date ?


A:

Send Jim Hauff an email at: BoBell01@aol.com.

Jim is a collector, and a good guy to boot, and bet he can answer your question.

The Sportsman I'm "holding" for a friend is serial number 73140 which was probably mfg. in or around 1938, and your revolver has a much lower number than that..

Beautiful old H&R you have there. :grinning-thumbsup:

Best Wishes,

Jesse

[32 Magnum]

A Square 10,
From the serial number and the pictures:
You have a 1st Model 4th Variation H&R Sportsman Double Action and it was made between circa 1937 and 39, most likely '37. There should be two patent nos. (1904730 and 2034632) stamped on the cylinder and the hammer should have a firing pin afixed to the nose. It appears to be in v. good plus condition and as such I would value it at around $275 to $305, depending upon the market in your area.

Jim Hauff

Jesse,
Thanks for the kind words.

[32 Magnum]

A Square,
I just took a close look at the pictures you posted on the other thread and then again at the ones on this thread. If you look closely you will see that the barrel group and the cylinder frame appear to be different colors. The "plum" color of the cylinder frame is indicative of the piece having been "reblued" or refinished at some point. The steel compositions and the heat-treating processes used during the manufacture of these guns was different for the barrel group than the frame - thus, when cold reblued, the frame always looks plum (it's softer and more maleable than the barrel). You mentioned that the gun had been through a house fire, at some point in it's history - I'm willing to bet that sometime after the fire, an owner had it refinished. I'm sorry to say that refinishing will eliminate the collector value of this piece, but if it is still safe to shoot after having been exposed to a fire hot enough to mess up the original bluing, it has about 70% of the collector value as a "shooter". I would recommend having it test fired by a gunsmith before shooting it yourself.

[A square 10]

i think you for the information , it confirms what id been told as a youngster and also what i know of the fire , this is not intended to be sold , im hoping to pass it on , but the caution is well accepted and noted , thank you so much for responding to the post , folks here are very good people indeed

[LDHare]

32 Magnum:

I maybe wrong, but I believe that I probably have a first year (1925?) production H&R Sportsman. It has a non-rebounding hammer, the cylinder is marked "PATENT APPLIED FOR", the barrel appears to be etched "H&R SPORTSMAN" (not roll marked), it has the cylinder lock latch on the right side of the barrel, an "I" barrel cross-section, a round break open latch button, and its' serial number is 17XX, with no prefix. As best as I can tell, it's in original condition.

Here are a few pictures of it in the box:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/LDHare/HarringtonRichardsEarlySportsmanRtS.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/LDHare/HarringtonRichardsEarlySportsmanLft.jpg


PS: The spare grip is for my Mdl 922 Trapper, not the Sportsman.


LDHare

[xpertgreg]

nice revolver LD! and welcome to the forum!!

gw

[LDHare]

Greg:

Thanks for the nice words. It's kind of quiet around here. I love to get my hands on that "soon to be published" H&R reference book. I have a number of H&Rs, but there is a real dearth of historical information on them.

LDHare

[32 Magnum]

LD,
You are correct in that you have a First Model First Variation Double Action Sportsman, first year of manufacture, but the first year of manufacture is circa 1932. I have examples in my collection with s/n 1481 and D4036. Earliest pieces didn't have the letter prefix, as at that time, there was not the single action variation in production. Your piece should have a frame mounted firing pin???? Can you describe the grips found on yours?
The H&R Book by Bill Goforth should be published before the end of this year, if I can ever get all the pictures taken in time.
Here some pics of the earliest Sportsman Mod. 1 Var. 1 and a Mod. 1 Var. 2 for comparison.
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/bdc0JXbC8*LFsYCLFrk0yE-uWP-D-mz7r8SQv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/bdc0JXbC8*LFsYCLFrk0yE-uWHO5bVl0fpvIv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
Jim Hauff

[LDHare]

32 Magnum:

Thank you for the welcome.

I guess I was ooff by seven years, or so, on the date for the beginning of Sportsman production. Perhaps that highlights why we need that H&R reference book of Bill's:-)

The hammer on my early sportsman is indeed frame mounted, and the hammer profile looks identical to the one on your S/N D4036 revolver.

The grips are one piece, single screw attachment in the frt grip frame. I believe that they are identical to the one on my H&R USRA single shot target pistol, and they also use the "D" type grip frame. Does this answer your question about the grip. If not, then I can remove the grips and get a shot of the bare frame with the dismounted one piece grip.

One question, when did H&R begin roll marking the barrels on these Sportsmans?


LDHare

[Insulator300]

I just found this forum and it seems to be great. I just acquired an "H&R Sportsman from my dad that is in fair condition. I haven't fired it yet but I am very curious about dating it. The number stamped on it is B9212. Everything else here says "D" as the prefix. Any thoughts, guys? I can post a pic if needed.

Thanks.

[32 Magnum]

LDHare - the firing pin mounted in the frame is standard for that era of production. Your piece, with a one piece grip, mounted by a screw through it threaded into the back strap, has the patented "Rice" type frame (named after one of H&R's better design engineers. It was designed to accept a number of different configurations and size grips to fit a multitude of different hand sizes and purposes. This same grip was used on ALL H&R handguns starting circa 1935-36 and was in use up to 1952-53, when all handgun grip frames were changed over to several different styles with either rounded or squared configs - utilizing two piece grips. There is evidence that as many as fourteen (14) different size and shape one piece grips were offered. The USRA Single Shot Target Pistols utilized the Rice frame.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "roll marking", but if you're talking about the large lettering, it appears to have occured around the switch over to the "oval" shaped barrels from the original "key hole" shaped barrels, circa 1933.
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/bdc0JXbC8*LFsYCLFrk0yE-uWBk*aNNp-v9-v4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
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Jim Hauff

[32 Magnum]

Insulator 300,
In 1940, H&R began using a letter prefix to it's serial numbering system, to indicate year of manufacture. A = 1940, B = 1941 (your gun) and so on, skipping the letters 'O' and 'Q', resulting in Z = 1963. The prefix then began with AA = 1964. Skipping 'AI', 'AO' and 'AQ', results in AZ = 1983.
Previous to this system, that is pre 1940, the Sportsman series was broken up into two models: the double action (serial number was preceded by 'D') and the single action (serial number was preceded by 'S'.) In those two cases the letter prefix had nothing to do with year of manufacture. Early, turn of the century production hinged frame revolvers also exhibit some letter codes, from about 1891 up to 1906. These letters, found on large frame Auto Ejectors and small frame Premiers, seem to correlate with periods of production, but don't appear to be date codes.
Here's a pic. of my 'B' serial numbered Sportsman:
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/27002SgFFrNmUFnai6bLRSZFBqFgwrF0RZiuv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l .jpg
Jim Hauff

[LDHare]

Jim:

Thank you for the very detailed information on my early Sportsman. One of these days I'd love to latch onto what I believe was called the H&R Eureka model, chambered for .22SH with the short cylinder. I've only seen one, and foolishly let is slip away.
Thanks again for your help.


LDHare

[Insulator300]

Jim-

Thank you for the information. The pic you attached is identical to my gun aside from the grip. I can't wait to fire this gun as it seems to be well made. I appreciate your help with dating it... my Dad was 10-years-old when it was purchased.

Patrick
Insulator300

[32 Magnum]

Jim:

. One of these days I'd love to latch onto what I believe was called the H&R Eureka model, chambered for .22SH with the short cylinder. I've only seen one, and foolishly let is slip away.

LDHare,
Here a couple pics of the "ultimate" target revolvers made by H&R. the first is the Model 777 "Ultra Sportsman" a single action 9 shot special target model and it's successor the Model 196 "Eureka", single action 6 shot - purportedly the most accurate .22 cal revolver ever made????????? Note that both are chambered for the .22 lr cartridge only - the cylinders are the exact length of the standard .22 lr cartridge of the late 1930s - to avoid bullet "jump" within the cylinder. the "Ultra" was produced in approx. 900 pieces and the "Eureka" was produced in something less than 300 pieces. the Ultra currently sells in the $500 to $700 range and the Eureka in the $600 to $900 range. Both were hand fitted and assembled with extra care and were special order items - above and beyond the Model 199 Single Action Sportsman and benefitting from the accuracy improvements Walter Roper brought to H&R in his redesigns of the Model 195 USRA Single Shot target Pistol.
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[32 Magnum]

Jim-

Thank you for the information. The pic you attached is identical to my gun aside from the grip. I can't wait to fire this gun as it seems to be well made. I appreciate your help with dating it... my Dad was 10-years-old when it was purchased.

Patrick
Insulator300


Patrick,
Glad to have been of help. Enjoy it. I shoot several of mine and they are ALL excellent shooters - I really enjoy ejecting 9 empties, simultaneously.

[Hal]

Collectors of H & R's are unique so I'll share with you some info on one that I have. It is a Standard, Light Weight, Single shot of 1908 in 28 gauge. I think it is absolutely pristine in condition and first year production. 3XX serial number. Blueing and Case colors exceed 95% and Wood is in same condition. BBL is like a mirror throughout. Only old H & R that I own but it was worth the price to buy it when I did. I can send you pics if you have an email to send them to. Hal

[Big Bear In OH]

Hi guys, I am new to this forum, and really just joined because I just recently purchased an H&R pistol from a friend, and noticed that the markings do not match any other marking I've seen discussed. The pistol is marked with a simple 1338 and has a one-piece grip. The only barrel markings are H&R "Sportsman" and 22 Long Rifle CTC. as well as Patent Applied For on the cylinder. I'd really like to know what I may have stumbled upon, as well as if this is an early production model or if it is possibly a very rare model.

EDIT:: I guess I just answered my own question there, by looking at the earlier posts in this discussion. Sorry for wasting the collective efforts of the group on something so blatantly obvious.

[A square 10]

no problem from my point of veiw , and welcome ,

i enjoyed reading of your revolver and revisiting the thread in general - there is actually a lot of great info here and worth rereading

[Big Bear In OH]

Thanks...it seems like there is a wealth of knowledge on this site, just waiting to be seen, so I look forward to sharing my little bit of knowledge with y'all.

[Roland of Gilead]

Ok now I'm really confused :dontknow:

First off Hi everyone first timer here!

Anyway, I bought an H&R 9 shot sportsman just the other day. The dealer behind the counter told me they were made from 1991-1999! Mabey the gentleman was mis-informed.

Mine is a top break with (H&R "SPORTSMAN' double action) Printed on the left side of the barrel. On the right side there is only (22 long rifle ctc)

On the butt is the serial # P63056 The only other markings are located on the face of the cylinder the numbers 056 and also on the ejector itself.

It has two piece walnut grips with the H&R logo in silver on both sides.

If anyone can help clear up my confusion I would be most grateful.


Sincerely,

ROLAND

[WmRoy]

I'm not up on H&R's, but Welcome Aboard!!

[32 Magnum]

Collectors of H & R's are unique so I'll share with you some info on one that I have. It is a Standard, Light Weight, Single shot of 1908 in 28 gauge. I think it is absolutely pristine in condition and first year production. 3XX serial number. Blueing and Case colors exceed 95% and Wood is in same condition. BBL is like a mirror throughout. Only old H & R that I own but it was worth the price to buy it when I did. I can send you pics if you have an email to send them to. Hal

First of all, I apologize for not getting back to this site sooner, I see there's a couple questions that have backed up, so here goes my best:

Hal,
If your piece is truly a model of 1908, it is unusual to find that model in 28 gauge. I would really like to see pictures, you can send them to me at:
bobell01@aol.com (note: that's zero 1, not oh 1)...when I see the pics, especially of the left side of the receiver, I may have a few more questions but we'll be well on the way to ID and valuation.
Jim Hauff

[32 Magnum]

Ok now I'm really confused :dontknow:

First off Hi everyone first timer here!

Anyway, I bought an H&R 9 shot sportsman just the other day. The dealer behind the counter told me they were made from 1991-1999! Mabey the gentleman was mis-informed.

Mine is a top break with (H&R "SPORTSMAN' double action) Printed on the left side of the barrel. On the right side there is only (22 long rifle ctc)

On the butt is the serial # P63056 The only other markings are located on the face of the cylinder the numbers 056 and also on the ejector itself.

It has two piece walnut grips with the H&R logo in silver on both sides.
If anyone can help clear up my confusion I would be most grateful.


Sincerely,

ROLAND


Roland welcome...

The gentleman to whom you spoke was "partly correct" - the last batches of Sportsman revolvers was made during that time period - under the H&R 1871 LLC banner. This company was a revitalization of the original H&R Arms Co. which ceased operations in early 1986, was within a couple years revitalized as New England Firearms Inc. and H&R 1871. In 1999, these two companies which made, in parallel, some of the later models of the original H&R line were acquired by Marlin Firearms Corp in 2000 and Marlin was acquired and incorporated into Remington Firearms early in 2008. The primary firearms produced under these banners by both Marlin and Remington were the single barrel shotguns and rifles. Marlin did market, and I believe Remington still does, Chinese made semi-auto and pump action shotguns under the two brand names also.
Getting back to your piece, with a 'P' letter prefix, it was made in 1954 and is a 2nd Model. H&R Arms Co. first introduced the Sportsman Double Action around 1932 and soon followed with the Single Action Sportsman. Both of these models were derived from the Auto Ejecting hinged frame models first introduced around 1884 or 85, with strong influence from the USRA Single Shot Target Pistol. Both models underwent a series of variational changes up to around 1940, when the model numbers of 999 for the Double Action and 199 for the Single Action were applied. Those model number followed the series through two more Models and several variations within in each model. The Model 199 was dropped from production in the late 1940's, while, as stated above, the Model 999 continued in production up to 1999.
There is too much historical background info to include in this venue, however, a true and accurate portrayal in included in the newly revised H&R Section of the 29th Edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values by S. Fjestad, upon which I had the honor of working along with my colleague of many years, Bill Goforth. This newly written section is the most accurate and true to form history and description of H&R firearms in existence, today.
I have several dozen Sportsman pieces of both models and the variants that grew from that model in my collection - and it is truly interesting to see how these revolvers evolved from their earliest incarnations to their final offering.

These Sportsman pieces have just about doubled in value over the past two years - with average condition pieces selling between $300 and $400 routinely, and some fine/excellent condition pieces ANIB condition selling for over $500. Several variants of the Model 199, the models 777 and 196, which were made primarily for revolver bullseye shooting and in very limited quantities are currently fetching prices over $700 and as high as $1000 for excellent condition. Many H&R firearms have graduated from being considered low end "junque" to being considered highly collectible, today.
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
Jim Hauff, Contributing Editor to the 29th Ed. "The Blue Book of Gun Values" by S. Fjestad.

[Big Bear In OH]

well those numbers just made me feel very good for what I considered a junk piece that I was not counting on even putting in the "good safe". I question what this pistol is worth in it's present condition, but it's better than what I paid for it, for sure. Any thoughts on worth, since we're throwing out numbers here? Yes, I'll post a picture or three as well, just for references.

[WmRoy]

Jim,

Thanks so much for all you information!!!

You are incredible!!

[Roland of Gilead]

Roland welcome...

Getting back to your piece, with a 'P' letter prefix, it was made in 1954 and is a 2nd Model. it is truly interesting to see how these revolvers evolved from their earliest incarnations to their final offering.

These Sportsman pieces have just about doubled in value over the past two years - with average condition pieces selling between $300 and $400 routinely, and some fine/excellent condition pieces ANIB condition selling for over $500.
Any other questions, please feel free to ask.
Jim Hauff, Contributing Editor to the 29th Ed. "The Blue Book of Gun Values" by S. Fjestad.

Thank You for the welcome and for the in depth answer . I feel truly priviledged to have an expert of your caliber (no pun intended) take the time to answer my question.

Also I would like to add that I did read the contents of this thread prior to posting and saw the information you posted about the serial numbers and dates. My source of confusion came from the gun dealer which you cleared up handily.

Once again thank you for your time and consideration,

Roland.

[Kanes28]

hey guys,

I have a H&R Sportsman that was my grandpas. I never knew him as he passed away when I was just a baby. I remember visiting grandmas house as a young child. I was sneaky and knew where this gun was hidden but was raised in a hunting family and never touched it. I would just look at it and admire. I had forgot about this gun until my dad passed away. I was helping my mother go through his things and came across it. He kept it after Grandma passed. I asked my mom if I could have it and keep it in our family. she of course said yes.

The serial stamped on it reads "D26918"

can anyone tell me its date and approx. value?

thanks much

[xpertgreg]

priceless if I were you.

gw

[32 Magnum]

Kanes 28,
With that serial number, current research indicates it was made in or about 1933 and is First Model 2nd Variation. Value is dependent upon condition but would probably top out around $300 in MINT condition. The older pieces don't seem to command as high a value as the more recent ones, although I have found that the 1930's pieces are more acurate and have a finer trigger action, in general, than the newer, more recent production pieces.
Jim Hauff

[Zeliard]

Hi all,
Recently (today in fact) bought a Sportsman from a gentleman. From browsing this thread is looks to be a 1st model, 6th variation. However, it's missing a pin. It's the pin diagonally NW from the hinge screw (looking at the left side), in front of the cylinder, below the barrel. Numrich's schematics are for a different model, and I can't really figure out what use it has as everything seems to be working. Any information y'all can give is appreciated. :)

[love22s]

Hello all,
I'm new here...I just bought this gun without knowing much about these Sportsman pistols...but the design really looked "cool" to me (I am a mechanical engineer).

I decided to see if I could find out more about it, and if I am reading the information above correctly, this is a first model, first variation, first year with serial #986 (unless I looked at 986 upside down, but then it would be 986 also!!:) I thought that was kind of funny).

Anyways, here are some pictures.

And many thanks for the information in this thread.

Todd

[32 Magnum]

I'm baaack.
Zeliard - that pin retains the internal parts of the auto ejecting system - I think it's a spring. Have you removed the cylinder from your piece? If not - don't experiment - put a pin in that hole.

Love22s - that is indeed a 1st Model 1st Variation and it is the lowest serial numbered Sportsman that I have seen or heard of. The front sight should be non-adjustable???? You have read the serial number correctly. (LOL)
Jim Hauff

[Fernando]

Hi, I'm Fernando from Peru and I've a question....my father in law has had an H&r Sportsman model 176 16 GA 2 3/4" chamber full choke and I want to sell it, did you know the year of this rifle and how much it costs??

[woodster67]

this is to 32 magnum i forgot to tell you in the e-mail that it also has a one piece grip

[32 Magnum]

this is to 32 magnum i forgot to tell you in the e-mail that it also has a one piece grip
s/n 48692 can be either a 1st Model 3rd Var. or 4th Var. I need a bit more information:
Is the cylinder release on the left side of the frame (button) or the right side (pivoting bar?)
Is the company address stamped into the top of the barrel or the left side?
Is there a "gold" dot mounted in the front sight blade?
Answers will help pin down the variation a years of manufacture.

[32 Magnum]

Hi, I'm Fernando from Peru and I've a question....my father in law has had an H&r Sportsman model 176 16 GA 2 3/4" chamber full choke and I want to sell it, did you know the year of this rifle and how much it costs??
Does it have a serial number? or a set of two letters stamped into the left side of the receiver? List everything stamped into the left side of the receiver. Answers will help determine year of manufacture.

[Kappy]

I was given also given a H&R Sportsman Double action 9 shot revolver by my grandfather. Model number 999 sn# 31549. About the 5th time I shot it something broke inside. It connects to the little pin just below the screw for the hammer. Does anyone know what part it might be and or where I might find out or where to get it?? Thanks

[32 Magnum]

If I'm thinking of what you're talking about - it is the pin that secures the single action sear lever. Check with Numrich/GPC at www.e-gunparts.com for original parts.

[johnben]

Hello to All,

I recently purchased an H&R Sportsman at auction and have been mining this thread for lots of useful information. However, I still can't figure out where my gun fits in the lineage of H&R top-breaks, and I'm hoping someone can clue me in.

The gun is an engraved 'Centennial' edition, and came with a heavy pewter medallion that says "Awarded by United States Centennial Commission" and "International Exhibition, Philadelphia , MDCCCLXXVI". The serial number on the bottom of the grip is 999852 (which doesn't seem to fit in with the descriptions of serial numbers elsewhere in this thread), and the barrel is engraved with the words "1 of 999".

I've attached a few pictures. Thanks in advance to any who can enlighten me (especially the venerable Jim Hauff, if he still monitors this thread).

John Bendiksen

[rugerwheels]

See this URL:
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?p=572742
for the following:

MODEL 999 SPORTSMAN I OF 999 (TRANSFER BAR IGNITION)------1979-1986
Engraved with Fitted Wood Case, Top Break, Double Action, 22 Long Rifle Caliber, 9 shot, Blue Finish, Barrel Length 6 inches, Adjustable Sights. VALUE: Collector value only if unfired, with all original tags, manuals, commemorative medallion, wooden presentation case and cardboard box; 100%=$700+ if in other than described condition it is valued as the Model 999 3rd Model plus 20% premium for engraving.

Also this recent auction:
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9424624

[johnben]

Thanks, Don. That certainly fills in some of the gaps.

One of the reasons I was asking was to determine if the gun had any extra valuation based on historical significance... in other words, should I feel guilty about actually shooting it. I'm now realizing it was just a prettied up version of the regular 999 (the fact that the gun in the auction listing you referenced and my gun both are engraved "1 of 999" dims the luster a bit).

But that's all right, because I bought it to shoot, anyway, and because a childhood friend of mine in the '60s had one and I always liked it and wanted one. And hell, the engraving DOES look very nice.

I'd still like to figure out the whole 'Centennial' thing, though. The Centennial was in 1876, and the gun was obviously made long after that. If anyone knows (or can guess) what the connection is between this gun and the Centennial, I'd like to hear about it. The medallion IS stamped with the date 1876...

Thanks again,
John

[Keith Johnson]

Thanks, Don. That certainly fills in some of the gaps.

One of the reasons I was asking was to determine if the gun had any extra valuation based on historical significance... in other words, should I feel guilty about actually shooting it. I'm now realizing it was just a prettied up version of the regular 999 (the fact that the gun in the auction listing you referenced and my gun both are engraved "1 of 999" dims the luster a bit).

But that's all right, because I bought it to shoot, anyway, and because a childhood friend of mine in the '60s had one and I always liked it and wanted one. And hell, the engraving DOES look very nice.

I'd still like to figure out the whole 'Centennial' thing, though. The Centennial was in 1876, and the gun was obviously made long after that. If anyone knows (or can guess) what the connection is between this gun and the Centennial, I'd like to hear about it. The medallion IS stamped with the date 1876...

Thanks again,
John
John, 'Centennial' pertains to H&R being in business from 1871 to 1971 and this special engraved 'Sportsman' 999 was to commemorate the 100 years.............Keith

[Archer]

Hi Guys, I just found this forum and noticed several posts dating back to 2007. I have an H&R sportsman I acquired several years ago that's been laying around in my gun safe for as many years. I got it out a few weeks ago to " discourage" some squirrel who were raiding our bird feeders. Anyway, the gun has H&R SPORTSMAN double action on the left side of the barrel and HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON ARMS CO.WORCHESTER MASS USA on the right.The sn is 45478 with no prefix.Can someone give me a year of manufacture. Thanks, Archer

[furpo]

I've been trying to figure out the production date or estimated value of my Grandfathers H&R Sportsman
Barrel Length 6" long and Key Hole Shape.
Caliber and Cylinder Capacity: 22 LR , 9 shot, Blue finish, Adjustable front and rear sights.
Left Side Of Barrel: H & R Sportsman Double Action (in 2 lines)
Right Side Of Barrel: Name and address on two lines. 22 Long Rifle CTG (on 3rd line back by cylinder)
Serial Number and Location: Front Of Grip Strap: J33
One screw in front of grip holding it on
No mention of “Patent” (no other markings)
To open the Cylinder release you lift up on the rear sight.

[mapper123]

I purchased a H & R "Sportsman" double action revolver today that to my eyes is in excellant condition.....it's serial number is 33250 with no letter prefix.It has single piece walnut checkered grips held on with one screw in the backstrap & the serial number is on the frontstrap.The breakopen release is checkered is is rectangular shaped.
I would much appreciate more info ,but I can't post a picture( too old & stupid),but will try to answer any questions.....I have read all the post in this thread & gather it is is at least pre 1940......no idea as to model or variation.I noticed many call this the model 999 ,but I don't see any model number on mine.

[dalriada]

Hi all, new to this site. I inherited a couple of nice firearms, the one I'm concerned with is an H & R Sportsman Double Action 9-shot .22 revolver. It has a large size wood wrap-around grip, and the serial # is 35130. All I could find out is that it is pre-1940. Is there any way of telling the exact age of it? Also, was this also known as a model 999?

[Dan1]

Hi all, new to this forum.
I have Dad's single action H&R "Ultra" Sportsman, No. 777, serial # U 998. It is in beautiful condition. Several years ago, while shooting it, the ejector stayed "up" instead of popping back "down". I can't close the action because the "up" ejector hits the receiver, preventing closing. The hole on the ejector is lined up with the pin on the cylinder, and the cylinder release latch is popped shut. What am I doing wrong? I have used this little beauty since I was way young, and I have watched Dad and Uncle Henry pick summer daisies all afternoon long with it (although Dad preferred his K-22...) Time to pass it along to whichever child (young adult) is interested, but want it to work right first.

[jdc927]

my grandpa just bought H&R sportsman ssn# 61345 can u give me any info about it (jesse.condley@yahoo.com
Well, FWIW:

Just last week I was asked to bring an old H&R home for a gentleman (81yrs old) in a nursing home. I cleaned it up for him, and shot it, and I'm going to try and find him a set of grips for it. The old factory grips were apparently plastic (one piece wraparound) and melted away..

This H&R Sportsman is a very early model, I think mfg probably 1938-38.. My friend who owns it says he bought it new around 1958, but that's just a guess. The serial number (73140)indicates it was definitely made before 1952.

This pre 999 "Sportsman" came with hard to find one piece wraparound grips. I HOPE the H&R you bought takes the standard two piece grips as they are available in reproduction models several places.

Anyway, Jim Hauff (BoBell01@aol.com) is a collector of these old H&R's and has been very helpful to me regarding my friends pistol.. If you will email him I think he could answer your questions for you, or point you in the right direction..

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_7044.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_7045.jpg

[jshover]

Hello,
I am new to this forum, but have been reading your posts, and it seems that I have found the right place for my question. I came across a really nice firearm in excellent original condition (90-95%). I am trying to put a value on the gun, as I do have the option to purchase it from a neighbor whose Great-Uncle just died and left this gun to them. The serial number is B3156 (indicating that it is a 1941). What is the value of this gun? Good ballpark figure?

[32 Magnum]

JSHover,
Currently values of these are quite a bit lower that two years ago. You can get between $275 and $300 for one in excellent condition. Newer guns, say post 1952 when the modern model arrived on the scene, are selling about $50 higher, again depending upon condition.
Note: I regulary monitor selling prices on H&R firearms on the auction sites, at gun shows and gun shops.

Jim Hauff H&R Collector

[32 Magnum]

The gun is an engraved 'Centennial' edition, and came with a heavy pewter medallion that says "Awarded by United States Centennial Commission" and "International Exhibition, Philadelphia , MDCCCLXXVI". The serial number on the bottom of the grip is 999852 (which doesn't seem to fit in with the descriptions of serial numbers elsewhere in this thread), and the barrel is engraved with the words "1 of 999".

I've attached a few pictures. Thanks in advance to any who can enlighten me (especially the venerable Jim Hauff, if he still monitors this thread).

John Bendiksen[/QUOTE]

John,
The "Engraved Sportsman" series was made in the period circa 1979- 1986 (the year H&R Arms Co went out of business). The "Centernial" moniker refers to the Philadelphia Exposition of 1876. H&R had been formed in 1874 or 1875 from Wesson & Harrington, and they had a display board at the Philly Centenial which displayed 24 examples of their spur trigger single action rim fire revolvers. They were awarded a Centenial medal for their display. The Die pressed metal (probably German Silver, a mix of zinc, nickel, copper and a touch of lead) medal contained in the case is a direct copy of that award.
There were only 999 of these made - and the serial number is a special series for this special offering.
Jim Hauff, not so "venerable" at this time. LOL

[32 Magnum]

... Anyway, the gun has H&R SPORTSMAN double action on the left side of the barrel and HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON ARMS CO.WORCHESTER MASS USA on the right.The sn is 45478 with no prefix.Can someone give me a year of manufacture. Thanks, Archer

With that serial number your Sportsman was most likely produced between 1937 and 1940 - there is still some confusion concerning the exact dates vs. serial numbers for this model - until lettering began in 1940.

[32 Magnum]

I've been trying to figure out the production date or estimated value of my Grandfathers H&R Sportsman
Barrel Length 6" long and Key Hole Shape.
Caliber and Cylinder Capacity: 22 LR , 9 shot, Blue finish, Adjustable front and rear sights.
Left Side Of Barrel: H & R Sportsman Double Action (in 2 lines)
Right Side Of Barrel: Name and address on two lines. 22 Long Rifle CTG (on 3rd line back by cylinder)
Serial Number and Location: Front Of Grip Strap: J33
One screw in front of grip holding it on
No mention of “Patent” (no other markings)
To open the Cylinder release you lift up on the rear sight.


'J' prefix indicates production in 1949. It is a late (8th Variation) 1st Model. Current 2010 value for one in EXCELLENT condition is around $350 - $375.

Jim Hauff

[32 Magnum]

I purchased a H & R "Sportsman" double action revolver today that to my eyes is in excellant condition.....it's serial number is 33250 with no letter prefix.It has single piece walnut checkered grips held on with one screw in the backstrap & the serial number is on the frontstrap.The breakopen release is checkered is is rectangular shaped.
I would much appreciate more info ,but I can't post a picture( too old & stupid),but will try to answer any questions.....I have read all the post in this thread & gather it is is at least pre 1940......no idea as to model or variation.I noticed many call this the model 999 ,but I don't see any model number on mine.

This is a 1st Model. Variation will depend upon whether firing pin is located in frame or on nose of hammer and if it has patent #'s on cylinder (one, two or none).
I'd guess it is a 4th or 5th with production circa 1934-35. Value in EXCELLENT condition is around $325-$350. Add $50 for box.
Jim Hauff

[32 Magnum]

Hi all, new to this site. I inherited a couple of nice firearms, the one I'm concerned with is an H & R Sportsman Double Action 9-shot .22 revolver. It has a large size wood wrap-around grip, and the serial # is 35130. All I could find out is that it is pre-1940. Is there any way of telling the exact age of it? Also, was this also known as a model 999?

Best educated guess is around 1935-36. It is a 1st Model, probably 5th Variation. The Sportsman from its inception in or around 1932 was simply called either the Double Action Sportsman or the Single Action Sportsman - during the period 1938 to 1940, H&R reorganized their modeling nomenclature systems and began applying numbers - henceforth the DA Sportsman was known as the Model 999 and the SA was known as the Model 199.
See questions in response I posted directly before this one. Answers will give us a better idea of YOM.

Jim Hauff

[32 Magnum]

Hi all, new to this forum.
I have Dad's single action H&R "Ultra" Sportsman, No. 777, serial # U 998. It is in beautiful condition. Several years ago, while shooting it, the ejector stayed "up" instead of popping back "down". I can't close the action because the "up" ejector hits the receiver, preventing closing. The hole on the ejector is lined up with the pin on the cylinder, and the cylinder release latch is popped shut. What am I doing wrong? I have used this little beauty since I was way young, and I have watched Dad and Uncle Henry pick summer daisies all afternoon long with it (although Dad preferred his K-22...) Time to pass it along to whichever child (young adult) is interested, but want it to work right first.

Dan,
The Model 777 is scarce and of pretty decent value - depending upon condition up to 800 buckeroos. Your serial number is the highest one that I've seen or heard of. Conventional wisdom has been that ONLY about 900 were made - so that estimate has to be revised. I have U38 in my collection in 99% condition and I paid $700 for it about 9 years ago.
As to your problem - have you removed the cylinder? To do so you press in the vertical lever on the right side of the frame just ahead of the cylinder. Push on the ejector rod to make sure it moves freely with the cylinder bushing and the star extractor moves up and away from the cylinder - if not - lube it up and try again. After removing the cylinder - pull the barrel as far down as it will go and insert a rod or dowel into the hole in the arbor into which the ejector rod fits. Push gently on it in an attempt to reset the auto ejector mechanism which is a hook plate and spring. Also check to see if the little hook that should be visible at the outside rim of the hinge is not stuck into or on the frame. If so, gently pry it back so that it moves freely between the upper hinge ears. If these do not free it up - take it to a qualified gunsmith - get references from friends - who can do work on these older guns and have him fix it. The ejector system is fairly simple, but I've tried fixing it on two or three H&Rs and have not had much luck - of course I'm pretty klutzy when it comes to mechanical stuff. GOOD LUCK!
Jim Hauff:dontknow:

[32 Magnum]

my grandpa just bought H&R sportsman ssn# 61345 can u give me any info about it (jesse.condley@yahoo.com


Jesse,
You have a 1st Model probably a sixth Variation made circa 1939. Value depending upon condition will vary from about $150 for POOR to around $325 for EXCELLENT. If I'm correct about the variation, the manufacturer's address stamp should be on the right side of the barrel ???????
Jim Hauff

[UB39]

First time poster looking for some info.

My father passed away earlier this year and in cleaning out his house we found a new H &R Sportsman 999 - 9 shots, 22 cal., 6" barrel length, "Blued finish." Still in the original box and plastic packaging. Never used. On the side of the box there is handwriting that says "72/73", "AYRY" and "69.95." Inside the box there were 2 boxes of 50 count High Velocity Winchester Wildcat 22 bullets. In the same bag there was Bucheimer pistol holster - "B Perfect Fit #14" in its original box.

I've never had a handgun before, so I would appreciate any info on these items - including approximate age, value and collectibility (they appear to be old). If I don't want to keep the gun, what's the best way to dispose of it? If I want to take a few shots with the gun, are there any concerns over the age of the ammo?

[32 Magnum]

UB39,
I need to have the serial number of your piece. It should be stamped into the butt strap. You have a 2nd model, but I can't tell what year without the letter prefixes to the s/n. If NIB you have a piece that's worth at least 400 bucks, the ammo adds little extra but the holster adds at least another $35 to $45.
My condolences on your father's passing. You may wish to consider keeping this as a heritage piece. In that case, market value is immaterial.
Jim Hauff

[UB39]

A847415

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

[32 Magnum]

UB39,
I THINK, that the serial number should read 'AB47415 and that makes the Year of Manufacture 1965. If I'm correct, the piece will have two piece, checkered walnut grip panels, with a brass H&R w/lion medallion and the values posted above will be correct.
Jim Hauff, H&R Collector

[Jalibass]

Hello Mr. Hauff,

I really want a .22 revolver that I can put a couple hundred rounds though a month. I really don't like anything out there in current production. For the past several years I've been trying to find a 6" Diamondback or full underlug Monson Dan Wesson, that is already in California and willing to trade for a couple of "safe sitters". While doing my daily search I stumbled upon the H&R Sportsman Double Action and I am fascinated with their design. Whats not to love? A top break revolver with 9 rounds and auto ejection... talk about being ahead of their time. You seem to have quite a few, so I thought you might be able to tell me which of Sportsman Doubles would make a good shooter. Are there variations known to be more accurate? Could they handle 200 rnds a month?

Any info would be greatly appreciated,

- Jason

[32 Magnum]

Jalibass,
I have a couple dozen Sportsman pieces. I haven't shot every one of them. I have shot examples from the three recognized Models. With all that in mind, I have found that pre WW2 models are noticeably more accurate - at least within the limited set that I have access to. ALL Sportsman revolvers are easy and fun to shoot. Reliability doesn't seem to be a big problem. The pre 1940 pieces will have the single piece wrap around grip. Back in that era, H&R was producing what has been called the most accurate 22 cal. pistols made - the Single Shot Target Model USRA. The story is that the Sportsman barrels were rifled with the same equipment used on the USRA - therefore the rifling precision was superb. Your experience may vary - but my "range" .22 is a 1933 Sportsman - it makes everyone who shoots it look "good". I don't know how many rounds went thru my "range" Sportsman before I acquired it - the finish is really shot, but mechanically it is excellent and the accuracy is superb - I or friends have shot over 1000 rounds through it in the past 4 months and it still functions and shoots accurately.

[Jalibass]

Good morning Mr. Hauff,

From reading through all of your old posts it looks like the 1933s through 1935s are what I'll be looking for. Would you say anything with good lock up and timing having a serial number of 20,000 through 35,000 and the firing pin on the hammer? What about the D5000s with flat faced hammers? Should I stay away from the D's as they could reference 1943 rather than Double Action. These should all have Rice butts correct?

Do you know of such a specimen for sale or trade?

Thank you for your time sir,

[32 Magnum]

Good morning Mr. Hauff,

From reading through all of your old posts it looks like the 1933s through 1935s are what I'll be looking for.My range piece is D7882 a 1933 Would you say anything with good lock up and timing having a serial number of 20,000 through 35,000 and the firing pin on the hammer?As a general rule - I'd say yes -HOWEVER - see above for what I consider my always range gun. What about the D5000s with flat faced hammers?
Be careful with these - it appears that around the D5000 mark is when the front sight was made adjustable. I have a D4000 piece with non-adjustable front sight. There was a reason that H&R switched from frame mounted firing pins to hammer mounted (traditional) firing pins in this era. It was either an economic decision or a function decision. From what I've seen - I believe it was function. I've seen a couple pieces with broken firing pins or fp springs in the frame. I've not shot enough of the frame mounted to form a personal opinion. Should I stay away from the D's as they could reference 1943 rather than Double Action.The D (for double action, will have one or two patent numbers on the cylinder AND the cylinder release lever on the right side of the frame, just foreward of the cylinder. The 'D' for 1943 will have NO patent numbers on the cylinder and the cylinder release will be a small button on the left side of the frame. Additionally, H&R was heavily involved in wartime production of other firearms during WW2 and Sportsman examples with 'D' are either very rare or extremely scarce. These should all have Rice butts correct? Both will have the "Rice" type grip frame/one piece grip. It wasn't until late in 1952 that the "Square Butt" grip frame with two piece grip panels was introduced.

Do you know of such a specimen for sale or trade?Check out online auction sites, they show up quite often. Current pricing is around $300 - $350 for an excellent condition example. (www.auctionarms.com and www.gunbroker.com

Thank you for your time sir,

You're welcome, hope this helps. Any other questions, please ask.

[Jalibass]

32 Magnum,

Happy Thanksgiving Sir & thank you for being so generous with your H & R knowledge that must have taken many years to acquire. To get a '33 like yours what serial number range should I stay between?

Should you come across one before I do my email is: indoor_jungle_creations@yahoo.com

[32 Magnum]

Serial range for that era (1933...) seems to run between ~6000 and ~8000. That being said, my favorite shooter is s/n'ed 7882 is an "individual" piece that I find to be very accurate. I'm sure that there are hundreds if not thousands out there from the pre WW2 era that are as accurate. My personal take is that the "BEST" pieces with respect to accuracy and precision and quality of assembly are the pre-1943 Sportsman. That, in no way, denigrates the accuracy nor precision of ANY of the other Sportsman pieces made between 1933 and 1986. I offer the opinion that one, if desiring to acquire a good "shooter" should stay away from the very earliest pieces (s/n'ed under 5000) simply because they do not have adjustable front sights. If regulated properly, those guns should also be accurate if not quite as precise. Thanks for thanking.

[Jalibass]

What is the date of manufacture for D28328 with the cylinder release lever on the right side of the frame?

[old knife buddy]

1944 i think is d# with rice butt

[Robert Dilback]

I have an H&R sportsman that does not have a letter in the serial no. Mine is No.75### it Has a one piece large grip. marked H&R sportsman double action on the left side of the barrel and Harrington & Richardson arms co. worcester
mass U.S.A. on the other. also 22 long rifle ctg. Can any one give me an idea as to when this gun was made. It is the same gun as the pictureed with out the grip.

[Jalibass]

Mr. Hauff,

I'm looking at a Sportsman serial numbered D29XXX ( seller doesn't want to give out those last digits ). It has cylinder release lever on the right hand side, two patent numbers on the cylinder, hammer mounted firing pin, Rice frame but a "pinned fixed front sight". ( I bought the old gal and seller was incorrect, there is an adjustable front sight ) Is this a 1933/1934? Shouldn't this be a 1st variation due to the fixed front sight = before April 18,1933 ( disregard ), but then 3rd variation 1934 due to firing pin on hammer and finally 5th variation because of the two patent dates on cylinder = 3/17/1936 - 1937? ( patent numbers not dates )I know most manufacturers would continue to use existing parts as needed even after a model change, what do you make of this piece? For a "shooter" should I stay away from this due to the fixed front sight? Your D7882 has adjustable front & rear sight, hammer mounted firing pin, cylinder release lever on right hand side and one or two patent numbers on cylinder? Thank you again, I really appreciate all of the time you spend on us.

[ichiro]

Hello Jim
First of all I wanted to thank you so much for all the great info you have been sharing with us.

I am a police officer in Iceland and recently aquired a old training H&R that has been in the "family" for a number of years. It´s marked Sportsman and has the serial #44003. Apparently they were bought in the 30´s or 40´s but some of them didn´t see alot of use, such as this one, which seems to be in almost perfect condition.

The nice part of this H&R´s story is that the Police chief, of the time, that bought a number of these, couldn´t afford it and therefore offered to officers to purchase them themselves. This was quite the deal because it has always been very hard to aqquire a handgun legally in Iceland.

Could you tell me which generation and model my H&R is? Also, when would you think it was manufactured? I will include some photo´s.

Again, thank you very much for your information. Reading this thread was a big part of why I eventually bought the H&R.

Regards,
Thorir Ingvarsson

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[Jalibass]

ichiro I would say it's a 1st model 6th variation made in 1937/1938. Mr. Hauff should be along shortly to confirm or correct and he'll most likely want to know if it has a fixed or adjustable front sight, if there are patent dates on the cylinder and if the firing pin is mounted to the hammer.

Either way you have a pre-war in good looking shape.... enjoy!

[AlleyOop007]

ichiro,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting images of your revolver.

It appears to be a very well maintained firearm and I hope it shoots as well as it looks.

[ichiro]

Hi there.

Thank you for the warm velcome. I surely hope it shoots as well as it looks, because it looks really good. It´s been sitting in a desk drawer for the last twenty some years and appears never to have really been used. I´m the third owner. It came with a leather holster that still has the green protective-wax on the buttons.

It has an adjustable front sight, a patent marking on the cylinder. I think the firing pin is mounted to the hammer, if I understand you correctly.

These Sportsmans were imported for training use for a civil-defence force in the beginning of the WWII. As I´ve said the Police Chief in charge of getting the force in shape couldn´t afford them so the Police officers paid for them themselves. The funny thing is that they were training with these guns the exact same day as the British army invaded Iceland, the 10th of may 1940, which rendered the civil defence force unnecessary. The Police force has had a few of these, but I haven´t seen any in such a good status. Most of them have been used alot, since the .22 are the cheapest of all handguns to use.

I really look forward to testing it out. What do you think I should do before testing it? Are there any particular places to lubricate? Also, it came with a cleaning rod and a set of brushes, might they belong to the set?

[Jalibass]

I really look forward to testing it out. What do you think I should do before testing it? Are there any particular places to lubricate? Also, it came with a cleaning rod and a set of brushes, might they belong to the set?

I just bought a 1933 Sportsman in the same condition as yours and it came with the original box, cleaning rod and some other stuff. In California we have to wait 10 days to pick up a handgun once purchased, but the box and pamphlet it came with has cleaning and maintenance instructions. When I pick mine up next week I'll post what it says.

This is my first older firearm so I'm not sure what they need before shooting. Good question. I was just going to clean it as usual but I'll wait to see if anyone has advice for you.

I've heard these are pretty accurate and getting the barrel crowned can make them very accurate. I'll see if mine needs any work.

[JKV]

Hello,
am new to posting, so hope I do this correctly.

Just acquired an H&R Sportsman double action with adjustable sights, single piece grip, firing pin on hammer, two patents on cylinder and serial #46368. When the grip is removed, a "P", an "H" and a "3" can be found stamped in the handle. Do these three stamps mean anything? I am guessing this is a pre 40's model.

Would appreciate any help in dating this piece and finding schematics and breakdown procedure. The hammer was reluctant to remain cocked until I cleaned and oiled things, so I feel the need to dismantle and inspect everything.

I had another Sportsman years ago that began 'spitting" lead and powder between cylinder and breach and am wary of similar problems.

I loved the previous gun and must have put over ten bricks through it.
As I remember, some 30 years past, I could consistently nail soda cans at great distances.


Thanks for any help you may give.

[ichiro]

Hi guys.

I took my Sportsman to the range yesterday and it was a joy to use. I think I´m going to have to adjust the sights, but it shoots fine. One thing I wanted to ask. got a few dnf´s and when I look at the casings they mark after the firing pin (hammer) is not as deep as the markings on the one´s that did fire. I wonder why this happens.

It might be that the hammer hasn´t been used in many many years, it might also be that the gun has a lever behind the trigger that allows the hammer to go forwards, after the trigger is pressed. I wonder if the case might be that I wasn´t pulling the trigger firmly if enough? Any ideas?

I went through 115 shots and I had a few dnf´s

Best regards,
Thorir Ingvarsson
Reykjavík, Iceland.

[Stan in SC]

Keep your trigger finger firmly depressed so that the transfer bar arrangement works correctly.In today's lots of bulk 22's you are going to find a lot of rounds which for some reason will not fire.Sometimes they do fire on the second strike so try two or three times and turn the cartridge so that it gets struck in a different place.Don't be too quick to blame the pistol.

Stan in SC

[Jalibass]

Ichiro.... How funny, I took mine out for the first time yesterday as well. I could not be happier with it. My wife was hitting everything she aimed at. My double action pull is very light, not near what I've been reading. We did not have any ftf's, we were using Stingers. Your piece has the firing pin on the hammer so it's not a matter of the transferbar. Before I took mine out I disassembled it, cleaned everything I could reach with solvent, then oiled and wiped/patched dry. I would try doing that before anything else. My hammer hits the very outer edge of the case, I've never seen that from any firearm. It seems most bulk or budget .22lr ammunition will give you a few ftf per box.

The next time you shoot, number your cylinders charge holes. See if it is the same charge holes producing the ftf's. Re-strike the ftf's in the same charge hole, if it fails again try putting the round into one of the charge holes that hasn't ftf. Of course keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and wait 30 seconds before ejecting the round, some even say 2 minutes to avoid hangfire.

[32 Magnum]

Mr. Hauff,

I'm looking at a Sportsman serial numbered D29XXX ( seller doesn't want to give out those last digits ). It has cylinder release lever on the right hand side, two patent numbers on the cylinder, hammer mounted firing pin, Rice frame but a "pinned fixed front sight". ( I bought the old gal and seller was incorrect, there is an adjustable front sight ) Is this a 1933/1934? With TWO patent nos. it is 4th Var. 1935 or later.
Shouldn't this be a 1st variation due to the fixed front sight = before April 18,1933 ( disregard ), but then 3rd variation 1934 due to firing pin on hammer and finally 5th variation because of the two patent dates on cylinder = 3/17/1936 - 1937? ( patent numbers not dates )I know most manufacturers would continue to use existing parts as needed even after a model change, what do you make of this piece? There are some KNOWN "transition" pieces that share older and newer features. Your assumption, IMHO, is correct. For a "shooter" should I stay away from this due to the fixed front sight? It should have an adjustable front sight - I believe you corrected this statement above????Your D7882 has adjustable front & rear sight, hammer mounted firing pin, cylinder release lever on right hand side and one or two patent numbers on cylinder? Yes, it does. Thank you again, I really appreciate all of the time you spend on us.
Thanks for the kind words - and I apologize for being so late in responding to these questions. Circumstances beyond my control intervened and....well, I'm back and I'll try to catch up.

[32 Magnum]

[QUOTE=ichiro]Hello Jim
First of all I wanted to thank you so much for all the great info you have been sharing with us.

I am a police officer in Iceland and recently aquired a old training H&R that has been in the "family" for a number of years. It´s marked Sportsman and has the serial #44003. With that serial number - should be 1936-37. Apparently they were bought in the 30´s or 40´s but some of them didn´t see alot of use, such as this one, which seems to be in almost perfect condition.THAT IS A BEAUTY...I've not seen many from that era that look as good.
The nice part of this H&R´s story is that the Police chief, of the time, that bought a number of these, couldn´t afford it and therefore offered to officers to purchase them themselves. This was quite the deal because it has always been very hard to aqquire a handgun legally in Iceland.

Could you tell me which generation and model my H&R is?It's a 1st Model and 5th Variation - 1936-37 - cylinder release was moved from right side to left side and two patent numbers stamped into the cylinder, firing pin on hammer Also, when would you think it was manufactured? I will include some photo´s.Fairly low in the series for 5th Var. which ran up to 1939 - I've seen pieces in the 80K range - yours is most likely in the 1935 era.

Again, thank you very much for your information. Reading this thread was a big part of why I eventually bought the H&R.

Regards,
Thorir Ingvarsson

[ichiro]

Hey Jim.
Thank you so much. I like my Sportsman more every day. I´ve taken it to the range a few times and I like it more and more. It came with a cleaning rod and brushes, I´ve been wondering if they came with the gun.
The first time I took it to the range it left quite a few dnf´s but now it seems to be settling into things and works better. I´m sure it was just sluggish after not being fired for so long.
Again, thank you guys so much for all the info.
Best regards,
Thorir Ingvarsson.

[Mort Rex]

Hi Folks,
I have a H&R Sportsman 999, that I believe was made in the early to middle 1990's. Serial # HH0031xx. It has a 4 inch barrel, and blue finish. It appears to be in almost new condition. I have passed quite a few rounds through it, and it is a great shooter. A lot of fun to use for plinking. Seems to be very accurate for a 4 inch barrel. Can anyone give me information on manufacture date, approximate current value, misc. tidbits, etc?
Thanks,
Mort

[32 Magnum]

Mort,

'HH' indicates manufacture in 1994, by H&R 1871. Your gun is the "re-introduction" series and is slightly changed from the original Model 999 Sportsman - for example the grip frame, as well as the grip panels, is about 3/4" shorter than the originals. Internally it is almost identical to the last offering by H&R Inc. - with the "transfer bar ignition/safety system". From comparison with Sportsman examples in my collection, I'm of the opinion that these 1990s guns are not as well fitted nor finished as the earlier ones, but are serviceable, rugged and reasonably accurate.
Average NATIONAL RETAIL values seem to hover between $350 and $425 depending upon condtion. As unlikely as it may seem, a 1994 piece NIB with box and all original papers recently sold on one of the major on-line gun auction sites for a tad over $1000 ?????? I cannot explain what happened with this auction - but as I previously stated the AVERAGE selling prices are less than half of that.
Enjoy your shooting.

[Mort Rex]

Hi Jim,
Thank you for all the great information. I had no idea it would hold it's value quite so well. Yes, the grips are different from all the model 999's pictured here in the handgun forum, and the 4" barrel seems unusual for these revolvers. I have the original box and manual, and will now be sure to hang onto them. The gun is in excellent condition, and I keep it very clean and stored in a "treated sock" between uses. I have to say that I must have a "round" one, because it always surprises me how accurate this little gun shoots. I also have a Ruger Mark II target pistol with 6 7/8" Bull barrel, Volquartsen grips, and a custom fitted paddle trigger. A very easy pistol to shoot well and accurately. A real tack driver. While this little H&R is not as accurate as the Ruger, it is just as much fun to shoot. Accurate enough to have a big time plinking small targets. :D The forum posts here have now made me interested in acquiring an earlier model 999 with 6" barrel and larger grips.
Thanks again for all the useful information and the quick reply.
Tim
(aka Mort Rex :cool-smiley-1: )

[32 Magnum]

Tim,
You're welcome - glad to have been helpful - thanks for thanking -and- when you're ready for that older H&R - feel free to ask questions before (or after) you buy it.

[Bearclaw Bill]

As many have posted, I also recently acquired a "Sportsman" I believe to be made in 1933. Serial no. D66XX, firing pin in frame, adj front sight. The gun is in great condition EXCEPT, the hammer in broken in half ( top half, bottom half) So far I haven't found a replacement hammer so I'm considering having it tig welded. Any ideas on this being a good sollution? Or anyone know where I might find one? Tried Gun Parts and Jack First (who wants me to mail the hammer to them)

[32 Magnum]

Bearclaw,
I concur with your ID and age of your SPORTSMAN.
I'm not an expert in TIG welding - it may work if you get a skilled welder or smith with experience - it may need to be rehardened and then refinished or polished afterwards.
As for finding a replacement - parts for the very early SPORTSMAN series, especially the flat faced, firing pin in frame variation are SCARCE.
You may try calling the customer service desk at NUMRICH/GPC or contacting Jack First gun parts. You'll need to do a search to get contact info.
When/if you get ahold of some one at either - make sure you fully describe what you're looking for, because - the latter 3rd Model 999 SPORTSMAN revolvers - post 1973 - also have flat faced hammers for the transfer bar ignition/safety system in that series - but those will NOT fit in your 1st Model 2nd Variation.
Another alternative is to find a "parts" gun from that era - but from my experience - these are also very rarely seen - keep an eye on the on-line gun auction sites.

[Bearclaw Bill]

Thanks 32 magnum,
Numrich didn't have one and Jack First wanted me to mail them my hammer which I'm afraid to do. So, I think I will check with a local gunsmith who says he can tig weld it.
Thanks for your advice,
Bearclaw

[32 Magnum]

Bearclaw,
Thanks for the follow-up - it helps when others have the same or similar question(s). Good luck! Let us know how you make out.

[Jalibass]

Hello Mr. Haufff,

There is a lot of first owner information on an H&R Sportsman for sale on gunsamerica right now. Here is the link:

http://www.gunsamerica.com//914466074/Guns/Pistols/Surplus-Pistols-Copies/H_R_22_LR_pre_999_Sportsman_VG_Exc_1933_Original_B ox_Flint_MI_Domicile_Harrington_Richardson_First_Y ear.htm#

It has the original paper work the husband used to ship the revolver to his wife. It was purchased and shipped in 1933. The serial number is in the D25000's, two patent numbers on the cylinder, right side release, firing pin on the hammer and adjustable sights. My specimen is identical but with serial number D29116. Do you think they made a mistake or is this one a 1933 and mine is a 1935 or later as you originally thought.

http://gastatic.com/UserImages/87270/914466074/wm_2809225.jpg

[32 Magnum]

Jalibass,
Thanks for the link.
Here's what I see wrong with the vendor's claims:
PATENT #1,904,730 was issued by the U.S. Patent Office to J.W. Harrington on April 18, 1933.
PATENT #2,034,632 was issued...to R. Rice on March 17, 1936.

Any Sportsman with both patent numbers on the cylinder would therefore have been produced after March of 1936.

A serial number in the D25,000 range fits into the information that I provided to you earlier. H&R sequentially serial number their Sportsman revolvers - I have enough earlier (pre-1933) and later (post April 1933) pieces to document the change in attributes by increases in serial number.
I cannot explain the vendor's claims of 1933 purchase, but his description of why he thinks it is an early piece does not jive with known info. The vent rib barrel was not introduced until the mid 1950's on the Sportsman 2nd Model introduced in 1953.
I suspect there are some mistakes with what is presented - incorrect memory, incorrect assumptions, etc. ????
The envelope with the 1933 cancellation date does not look strong enough to have held a revolver - probably doesn't belong with the firearm assemblage.
3630

[Jalibass]

Thank you Mr. Hauff,

Was pretty sure that would be the case. Guess I just need to start looking for a second specimen instead of trying so hard to make my first one a '33. Love your sense of humor.

[32 Magnum]

Jali,
You're most welcome, thanks for thanking.
You may call me Jim - for a nominal annual fee!

[Jalibass]

I finally got around to taking some pictures of my new Sportsman D29116. All four numbers match up so everything is original. Thought I would share and see if we could narrow the year of manufacture. Jim I think you believed it to be 1936 to 1941 do these pictures help narrow it down? If I want one that shoots like your D7882 would this be the piece or should I keep looking for a D7xxx? - Jason
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/Jalibass/SportsmanB.jpghttp://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/Jalibass/SportsmanA.jpghttp://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/Jalibass/SportsmanC.jpghttp://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/Jalibass/SportsmanD.jpg

[32 Magnum]

Jason -
Your Sportsman is, most likely, mid 1936 - firing pin was moved to the hammer in 1934 - like on my D7xxx, and the two patent numbers on the cylinder happened late spring of '36 (March 17, 1936 was the date the second patent was issued.) This makes it a 1st Model 5th Variation.
It looks to be in V.Good + to EXC condition - looks to have been well taken care of. It should shoot as accurately and function as well as my D7xxx - which although it has a crappy finish - works very well. I had mine to the range, again, on Mon. and even my BIL looked like he knew what he was doing shooting it.;)
One thing I notice - the bluing on the front strap of the grip frame looks to be only lightly worn. Many, many of the early H&R's, while the rest of the gun may look pristine, have a distinct and in some cases severe loss of bluing right over the serial number - I'd guess from finger wear and lack of wipe down after shooting - the shooter holds the gun by the grip and wipes down everything else, except for the area under his/her fingers.:dontknow:

[Jalibass]

I couldn't be happier with this revolver and thank you again for helping me get a good one. I've always used a rag to maneuver my firearms during cleaning, I hate putting something back in the safe with a finger print on it. Just thought I had a weird quirk but apparently I was protecting their finishes.

[32 Magnum]

Jason,
I do the same - no gun goes uncleaned.
Glad to have helped in some small way - thanks for thanking.

[smirnus3000]

Jim,
You are expert I have been looking for!! I have the same story a lot of people seem to have, I inherited a sportsman revolver. Now this gun was a lot of fun to shoot until I took it to my local gunsmith to be cleaned after sitting for who knows how long. Now it wont fire or turn the cylinder I can't even pull the hammer all the way back. From looking at the schematic at Numrich he thinks its the Lever & Spring Assembly thats worn out. Fast forward 6 months with no help from the gunsmith. Out of frustration I took it apart tonight. The Lever & Spring Assembly looks nothing like the one pictured at Numrich for the 999. So now I'm thinking its not a 999, and I need some help finding someone who can fix this or some help finding the parts. I also would like to identify this revolver. The serial number is 53330 and has a single piece grip with the grip screw on the back of the grip. it has two pat#'s on the cylinder but they are double punched so I can't read them.
Thanks for taking the time to read this!!
Mike

[32 Magnum]

Mike,
Your SPORTSMAN is a pre-Model 999, meaning it was made before 1940. Common usage today is to call all Double Action SPORTSMAN revolvers the model 999. Your piece was most likely made in 1936 and would be a 5th Variation with the two patent #'s on the cylinder. The one piece "mono-grip" was in use on the "Rice" type frame from 1932 thru 1952. In 1953 the frame style was changed to square butt, taking two grip panels. This is the one that is represented in the NUMRICH/GPC diagram/parts drawing. There were a number of changes made to the lock work between 1936 and 1953 - not all of which are documented. Over the past several years, Numrich has become aware that there are a number of variations in the SPORTSMAN series and several of the techs are familiar with the need for "old" or "new" internal parts. I suggest that you get the phone number from their home page and make a call to their technical/parts dept. Explain what you have and what you need - if you can supply a picture of the parts you have that need replacing, offer to e-mail that picture to them. They will make every effort to match-up with parts in their inventory. Once you have the parts you need - you or your smith can install them, but there may be a need for some hand fitting - the older ones were hand assembled and fitted by one smith in the H&R factory - so parts, while interchangeable, may (probably) will require some work.
I hope this helps. I'm not a smith nor do I intentionally take any of my H&Rs apart.

[smirnus3000]

Mike,
Your SPORTSMAN is a pre-Model 999, meaning it was made before 1940. Common usage today is to call all Double Action SPORTSMAN revolvers the model 999. Your piece was most likely made in 1936 and would be a 5th Variation with the two patent #'s on the cylinder. The one piece "mono-grip" was in use on the "Rice" type frame from 1932 thru 1952. In 1953 the frame style was changed to square butt, taking two grip panels. This is the one that is represented in the NUMRICH/GPC diagram/parts drawing. There were a number of changes made to the lock work between 1936 and 1953 - not all of which are documented. Over the past several years, Numrich has become aware that there are a number of variations in the SPORTSMAN series and several of the techs are familiar with the need for "old" or "new" internal parts. I suggest that you get the phone number from their home page and make a call to their technical/parts dept. Explain what you have and what you need - if you can supply a picture of the parts you have that need replacing, offer to e-mail that picture to them. They will make every effort to match-up with parts in their inventory. Once you have the parts you need - you or your smith can install them, but there may be a need for some hand fitting - the older ones were hand assembled and fitted by one smith in the H&R factory - so parts, while interchangeable, may (probably) will require some work.
I hope this helps. I'm not a smith nor do I intentionally take any of my H&Rs apart.

You are AWSOME!! I called around and found someone who can get it firing again. Thank you very much for taking the time to respond and for all the info. I came across this post in a google search, I have just recently received my C&R license and this forum is going to be a great place!!

[32 Magnum]

smirnus,
Not so awesome - just a one trick pony....LOL.
Glad to have helped and THANKS for thanking.

[leejr]

I traded a muzzle loader for a 999, the s# starts with AX I think that makes it an 81'. I was wondering the value of it, and the double action trigger pull has got to be 20+ lbs is that normal? I have the box, and the gun looks to be in almost perfect condition.

Thanks
Lee

[32 Magnum]

leerj,
Welcome to the forum AND welcome to the wacky world of H&R SPORTSMAN revolvers.
You are correct in thinking your piece was made in 1981 - the 'AX' prefix indicates that year.
The SPORTSMAN has become very popular on the internet auction sites over the past couple years. I've been somewhat amazed to see them selling over $400 when in Excellent to NIB condition. Good for me and the value of my collection, but somewhat pricey for new purchasers.
As to the 20+lb trigger pull. From my experience with literally dozens of these revolvers, including the 3rd Model with the transfer bar ignition/safety system, which you have BTW. I've not run across ANY piece that was properly cleaned and lubed that would even approach that trigger pull weight. Most DA pulls on the newer models seems to range in the 10 to 12lb range, with SA pulls in the 4 to 5 lb range. On most of my pre WW2 examples, which are well broken-in, the DA ranges around 5 to 7 lbs, with SA pulls of around 3 to 3.5lbs. (All weights stated are my estimates based upon over 50 years of shooting experience.)
I suspect that your piece is "gunked up." Remove the grip panels, open the action and pull the cylinder (remember to keep the latch upright while you remove the cylinder and put it back on - I've seen quite a few "engraved" cylinders from not doing so.) With the grips off - cock the hammer and observe the main coil spring - it should move smoothly and not bind. If it doesn't, check at the top end where it contacts the hammer strut - is it binding or jammed in there? There may be solidified grease on the main spring, I've seen this - clean it off and relube with a light weight gun oil. Run a drop or two of oil down the front and rear of the hammer. Put a couple drops on the cylinder bolt and one or two into the "hand/pawl" slot. Another drop in the front and rear of the frame mounted firing pin. Oil the hinge.
Push the extractor rod on the cylinder so that the star is upward - check in there for hard grease or dirt - clean out completely under the star and run a drop or two down the extractor rod. Put a couple drops on the far end of the extractor rod and allow the oil to run into the "tunnel" in the cylinder bushing. Turn the gun upside down and run a drop of oil on both sides of the trigger and one on the SA sear release lever in the back of the trigger guard. NOW, take a good quality cotton swab (Q-tips work for me), put some oil on it and run it gently into the "quill" - the part that the ejector rod fits into. If it comes out dirty - clean it out, then lightly lube it. Be careful to not leave the cotton tip in there. With all the lube on the cleaned gun - work the action with the cylinder removed - it should be much lighter in both DA and SA. Open and close the hinge a number of times to work the oil into the hook plate and spring. Replace the cylinder on the quill (don't forget to hold the latch open - oh - put a drop of oil on the latch pin from the underside, also), the cylinder should spin freely when assembled - with only a light amount of resistance from the "friction spring". If it is still in the 20lb range in DA - you'll need to shoot or work the action to smooth it out - DO NOT DRY FIRE with the cylinder installed.
Try this - if it doesn't work - there may be some unseen mechanical problem.
Many of these slightly used or NIB Sportsman revolvers have been sitting unused for 20 to 30 years. GREASE and oil get hardened over time and can bind the actions up.

[leejr]

THANK YOU for the help. It was binding but no gunk, the bend in the guide bar was arched to the back of the gun I switched it to arch to the front, that took care of the binding and helped the pull a little along with oiling. I remembered I had a good digital scale and Im getting 15 lbs now, I am going to try spraying it with gun cleaner to get any unseen gunk out. I was also thinking about buying another spring and shortening it, but how much can the pull be reduced before you lose to much striking strength.

[32 Magnum]

lee,
Thanks for the update - one thing of concern to me: the mainspring guide rod should not have an "arch" in it. It should be straight. It sounds to me as though the mainspring/guide rod assembly has been changed at some time in the past and one that is too long has been placed in the gun. I believe the extra tension caused by the "arched" guide rod is a main factor in the heavy trigger pull in DA. Check with Numrich/GPC for the correct guide rod. If I'm not mistaken, your Sportsman may have a guide rod with a rounded end that fits into a recess in the hammer "knuckle"? If not it will have a nylon or steel pusher head at the top of the guide rod that fits against the hammer?

[leejr]

Yes my guide rod has a rounded end that fits into a notch in the hammer, I went to numrich and the exploded view they have shows it with a bend in it, that’s why I wasn’t worried about it.

[32 Magnum]

leejr,
I see what you mean - my bad - my apology - it sure seems to have a "bend" in it to fit into the hammer.
Only thing I have left is clean it all up and break it in by shooting.

[A square 10]

i picked up another - right after i gave my fathers to my nephew , i wont say much - its already posted in this thread , but i intend to enjoy it until my age prevents it then pass it my next younger nephew

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles002-12.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/Asquare10/mikesrifles003-11.jpg

[32 Magnum]

s/n ??? I can give you a YOM on it.

[ricky s]

Gentlemen, I am researching a 999 for possible purchase. I have read a lot of info on this site and have some idea, but not for sure of the exact model or date. It has the Rice frame and the small cylinder release on the left side. Non-vent rib, adjustable rear sight, pinned front sight. Markings on left barrel H&R Sportsman double action, right side has the address and .22 long rifle ctg on right side of the barrel. I see no pat. dates on side of cylinder, and the only frame number is on the front of the grip frame, L784. Can anyone help?

[ricky s]

BTW it has a nice set of checkersd one piece grips. Condition of the bluing is good with some lack of finish on side of the muzzle. Thanks again for your help, I never knew there was such in depth study on this iconic gun!

[32 Magnum]

ricky,
'L' prefix indicates 1951, that makes it an 8th Variation 1st Model.
These are good, well made guns with very good accuracy (generally speaking, when the piece has been properly taken care of.)
From your description, it sounds like it is all original and as it should be.
In "average condition" say 80% to 90% finish remaining, wood not chipped or broken, mechanically works as it was intended - the current RETAIL value will range from $250 to $300. Muzzle wear on these is common, as you noted, as many were carried in the field in holsters. The research depth on this and other H&R firearms has taken 16 years of study and collection by a few people and collated by the late Bill Goforth - who's book on H&R should be hitting the shelves before the end of the year.

[ricky s]

Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. Ricky.

[32 Magnum]

Ricky,
You're welcome. Glad to help out and thanks for thanking.

[A square 10]

jim , its already in this post , one of the early ones , i bought it from the gentelman that discussed it at length with you , you have it recorded , but ...73140 is the one i now have

[32 Magnum]

jim , its already in this post , one of the early ones , i bought it from the gentelman that discussed it at length with you , you have it recorded , but ...73140 is the one i now have

A square, Sorry about that,:dontknow: I'm getting so much info from a bunch of sources that I can't remember what I got from whom or when or how....limited RAM in the old brain pan.:)

[richdec5]

I have a Sportsman Double Action 22 long rifle with serial A6992. Can anyone tell me year and value. Thanks.

[32 Magnum]

richdec5,
Your SPORTSMAN (Model 999) was made in 1940. Value will depend upon condition. Current RETAIL values for 1st Model 7th Variation SPORTSMAN pieces (that's yours) vary from around $100 for a parts gun to close to $400 for excellent condition w/ box and papers. I recently purchased one in about 85% condition with original box for $235, which I thought was reasonable and I did need a 1940 for my collection.
If you have some time, please answer the following questions for my research:
1. Is the manufacturer's name and address on top of the barrel on on the right side?
2. Are there any patent numbers stamped into the cylinder - there may be none, one or two and they may be difficult to see as the font may be very small.
Thanks in advance.
3829

3830

[richdec5]

Hi Jim,
Thanks for the quick response. Looks to read exactly what's on your pictures.
1.Harrington and Richardson Arms Co.
Worcester, Mass. USA
2. PAT 190 and PAT 2034
No box or papers.
Rich

[32 Magnum]

Rich,
Thanks for helping with the research. And, You're welcome, glad to help.

[want2hunt247]

I am amazed at the number of these guns out there in beautiful shape. I aquired one with a serial number of 826xx. I looked through all the entries, but did not see one that mentions a serial number close. Can anyone date this gun.

[Jalibass]

Someone asked Mr. Hauff about serial number 73740 on another site and this is what he had to say:

"That serial number falls in the 1st Model 5th Variation range and was made between 1936 and '39. This variation is characterized by: firing pin mounted on nose of hammer, cylinder release is a small "button" on left side of frame just in front of the cylinder, cylinder will have two patent numbers."

Your piece should be included in that range.